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		<title>By: Notes on the Vibe from Ad-Tech San Francisco &#124; Digital Media Wire &#124; connecting people &#38; knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes on the Vibe from Ad-Tech San Francisco &#124; Digital Media Wire &#124; connecting people &#38; knowledge</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] much of the discussion was about how this area is still evolving.&#160; For more on this, check out my post as part of the discussion on measurement&#160; we have kicked off on the 360 Digital Influence [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elisiciasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisiciasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SteereKiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteereKiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello my friends!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello my friends!<br />
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		<title>By: kagbleada</title>
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		<dc:creator>kagbleada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>I&#8217;m writing a few articles right now and want to get some info and opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Severide</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Severide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book is a masterpiece and the ebook is burning up everything.  There should be no problem in getting quality advertising or PR.  My thoughts on the book are attached below, and I could not stop turning the pages.  My students are also blogging about it, because it so well written and engaging.

A BEAST IN PARADISE is absolutely amazing!  It is ultra modern, stylish, slick, high tech, believable and extremely visual.  It takes the reader on an incredible journey between the past, present and future.  You can&#8217;t stop turning the pages of this book, because you find yourself continuously reacting to everything that confronts the main character, Dr. Jerome Hendricks.  What is revealed while journeying through the world of Dr. Hendricks, is that treating his patients from a deadly disease called symbionic withdrawal is being caused by the misuse of a banned symbionic chip.  His investigation also presents clues that show that this lethal and addictive chip is based on an ancient science, which enabled the early alchemists to apply higher knowledge and mental power to accomplish incredible deeds.  It doesn&#8217;t take long before Hendricks determines that the chips are being illegally distributed by a powerful global conspiracy.  

The stakes are high and only members of a secret society known as the Disciples of Sef can interpret the hidden messages, which can neutralize the mental effects of symbionics and the chips.  This prompts Hendricks to write a bestselling book about it and how to cure symbionic withdrawal.  As a result, he becomes a threat to Eric Krill a wealthy businessman who seeks to distribute symbionic chips to powerful people.  To stop Krill, Hendricks enlists the help of Dr. Deborah Hilter who is an expert biotechnologist and a member of the Disciples of Sef.  Together they devise a plan and embark on a mission to prevent the illegal mass distribution of symbionic chips worldwide.  This book is extremely well written and has an almost hypnotic effect on the reader, because of its intensity, historical symbolism and clarity, which continuously draws the reader deeper into every scene all the way to the final conclusion.  It is a masterpiece and destined to become a classic, much like the â€œDa Vinci Code,â€ and â€œThe Time Machine.â€ 

It's powerful, unique and a winner!  You came to the right people to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book is a masterpiece and the ebook is burning up everything.  There should be no problem in getting quality advertising or PR.  My thoughts on the book are attached below, and I could not stop turning the pages.  My students are also blogging about it, because it so well written and engaging.</p>
<p>A BEAST IN PARADISE is absolutely amazing!  It is ultra modern, stylish, slick, high tech, believable and extremely visual.  It takes the reader on an incredible journey between the past, present and future.  You can&rsquo;t stop turning the pages of this book, because you find yourself continuously reacting to everything that confronts the main character, Dr. Jerome Hendricks.  What is revealed while journeying through the world of Dr. Hendricks, is that treating his patients from a deadly disease called symbionic withdrawal is being caused by the misuse of a banned symbionic chip.  His investigation also presents clues that show that this lethal and addictive chip is based on an ancient science, which enabled the early alchemists to apply higher knowledge and mental power to accomplish incredible deeds.  It doesn&rsquo;t take long before Hendricks determines that the chips are being illegally distributed by a powerful global conspiracy.  </p>
<p>The stakes are high and only members of a secret society known as the Disciples of Sef can interpret the hidden messages, which can neutralize the mental effects of symbionics and the chips.  This prompts Hendricks to write a bestselling book about it and how to cure symbionic withdrawal.  As a result, he becomes a threat to Eric Krill a wealthy businessman who seeks to distribute symbionic chips to powerful people.  To stop Krill, Hendricks enlists the help of Dr. Deborah Hilter who is an expert biotechnologist and a member of the Disciples of Sef.  Together they devise a plan and embark on a mission to prevent the illegal mass distribution of symbionic chips worldwide.  This book is extremely well written and has an almost hypnotic effect on the reader, because of its intensity, historical symbolism and clarity, which continuously draws the reader deeper into every scene all the way to the final conclusion.  It is a masterpiece and destined to become a classic, much like the â€œDa Vinci Code,â€ and â€œThe Time Machine.â€ </p>
<p>It&#8217;s powerful, unique and a winner!  You came to the right people to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Symlar</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Symlar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just written a an acclaimed book tilted "A Beast in Paradise," which now needs high quality promotion.  I was looking for a great banner add producer, as well as an excellent PR campaign.  I like the comments written on your page about the work of Brian Giesen.  Please respond ASAP with suggestions.

Thanks.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just written a an acclaimed book tilted &#8220;A Beast in Paradise,&#8221; which now needs high quality promotion.  I was looking for a great banner add producer, as well as an excellent PR campaign.  I like the comments written on your page about the work of Brian Giesen.  Please respond ASAP with suggestions.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: GugenPolansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>GugenPolansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rohit, 

Good piece on the issue of "last click attribution". From a practical perspective, the â€œrules of attributionâ€ are taking precedence over the â€œrules of advertisingâ€ providing a skewed perspective on the optimal balance between PPC advertising and display based advertising. 

Under the â€œlast clickâ€ rule of attribution, click driven channels such as PPC search, are attributed and credited for a disproportionate amount of transactions. While PPC advertising is an effective online advertising channel, it benefits from being widely used at the start and end point of the consumer purchase cycle. By attributing 100% of a transaction to the last click, there is a danger in underestimating the contribution and value of impression based channels.

It is not a question of display based programs being more effective than PPC Advertising or vis-versa, it is a about how both channels work together and their overall role within the purchase cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohit, </p>
<p>Good piece on the issue of &#8220;last click attribution&#8221;. From a practical perspective, the â€œrules of attributionâ€ are taking precedence over the â€œrules of advertisingâ€ providing a skewed perspective on the optimal balance between PPC advertising and display based advertising. </p>
<p>Under the â€œlast clickâ€ rule of attribution, click driven channels such as PPC search, are attributed and credited for a disproportionate amount of transactions. While PPC advertising is an effective online advertising channel, it benefits from being widely used at the start and end point of the consumer purchase cycle. By attributing 100% of a transaction to the last click, there is a danger in underestimating the contribution and value of impression based channels.</p>
<p>It is not a question of display based programs being more effective than PPC Advertising or vis-versa, it is a about how both channels work together and their overall role within the purchase cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Marston Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marston Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 05:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth of the matter is that we will never be able to build models that will be able to determine all of the discrete variables/values along with the impact of the interactions between these variables. For instance, often there are viral and other offline forms of marketing that simply cannot be integrated into marketing models. But this is okay. Just like we'll never know the exact perfect price for a product at any given point to insure that neither the customer or a business are leaving opportunity cost on the table. 

What we do need to get much smarter on however is building predictive models that attempt to account for as many of these interactions as possible and drive the level of uncertainty to a point where a marketer can live with it.

Many pieces of the puzzle are coming together. As web analytics, multivariate testing, behaviorial and remarketing ad networks, and competitive tracking improve - the ability to drive to a new level of certainty exists. The difficulty that exists is that no one owns all of the pieces to the puzzle nor have the developed the relationships with other technology firms to create the first steps towards this level of metrics and measurement. In fact, there appears to be a reluctance to do so. 

Furthermore - measurement is just the first step. Its just data. To make this entire concept of attribution important - we need to turn it into action. This will require someone using algorithisms not unlike what the multivariate testing firms use applied to content and apply it to the larger problem of attribution by expanding their scope to not only include analysis of message but of placememt, timing, and customer. Adding this level of 'darwining' predictive actioning to attribution, in real time can lead to solutions without having had to know all the answers before you start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth of the matter is that we will never be able to build models that will be able to determine all of the discrete variables/values along with the impact of the interactions between these variables. For instance, often there are viral and other offline forms of marketing that simply cannot be integrated into marketing models. But this is okay. Just like we&#8217;ll never know the exact perfect price for a product at any given point to insure that neither the customer or a business are leaving opportunity cost on the table. </p>
<p>What we do need to get much smarter on however is building predictive models that attempt to account for as many of these interactions as possible and drive the level of uncertainty to a point where a marketer can live with it.</p>
<p>Many pieces of the puzzle are coming together. As web analytics, multivariate testing, behaviorial and remarketing ad networks, and competitive tracking improve - the ability to drive to a new level of certainty exists. The difficulty that exists is that no one owns all of the pieces to the puzzle nor have the developed the relationships with other technology firms to create the first steps towards this level of metrics and measurement. In fact, there appears to be a reluctance to do so. </p>
<p>Furthermore - measurement is just the first step. Its just data. To make this entire concept of attribution important - we need to turn it into action. This will require someone using algorithisms not unlike what the multivariate testing firms use applied to content and apply it to the larger problem of attribution by expanding their scope to not only include analysis of message but of placememt, timing, and customer. Adding this level of &#8216;darwining&#8217; predictive actioning to attribution, in real time can lead to solutions without having had to know all the answers before you start.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about running pilot programs that try to isolate some of the comms/marketing programs to understand their impact? Still doesn't get at the complex interactions that you are talking about. I think we would need some academic study to really "map" those influences and their interaction and cumulative effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about running pilot programs that try to isolate some of the comms/marketing programs to understand their impact? Still doesn&#8217;t get at the complex interactions that you are talking about. I think we would need some academic study to really &#8220;map&#8221; those influences and their interaction and cumulative effect.</p>
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