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Jun 19

(1) Interview Series: Digital Influence in the Music Industry

Post 1 - Digital Influence on a College Entertainment Booking Agent

Students at an O.A.R. show at Clemson University April 18, 2009.              Photograph by Chris Newman

Students at an O.A.R. concert at Clemson University April 18, 2009. Photograph by Chris Newman.

This week I had a chance to sit down with Corey Ellis, an agent at the Auburn Moon Agency, to find out how digital media has influenced his profession. Auburn Moon specializes in booking entertainment for colleges and universities throughout the U.S. and Canada. Corey is also the large-scale event specialist for the agency and coordinates sponsored tours.  Prior to joining Ogilvy PR I had the privilege of working with Corey on an artist management and development venture for the band FLOREZ. We still find time for weekly conversation and debate over the state of the music industry, trends within the college marketplace, new online resources and artists to watch. He’s undoubtedly a rising star in the music industry and I expect to see him among many 40 under 40 lists in the years to come. As a result I’ve decided to put him in the hot seat this week to answer a few questions about how digital and social media has impacted the way he does business.  

Corey Ellis, booking  agent, Auburn Moon Agency

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Brian: Generally speaking, what opportunities has the proliferation of digital and social media generated for your business? 

Corey: The proliferation of digital and social media has truly opened up (and arguably evened out) the playing field in the entertainment business.  The barriers of access are crumbling rapidly.  For us it is much easier to gather information on artists.  Instead of waiting on someone to send you a CD/DVD/press kit I can go online and find all the information about an artist I may need in less than 30 minutes.  It has also made it more cost effective for us to deliver content to our buyers.  As of last year we are no longer producing CDs or DVDs to provide to buyers and instead we are providing download cards to deliver content to everyone.   As the world has moved toward digital/social media the ways in which our artists can create and shape their appearance to the world is endless.  But as much as we as agents try to shape our artists’ spheres there is an equal force (fans, bloggers,etc) that we no longer have strong influence over.

Another benefit (that does not directly impact my daily work) is that the music business has returned to the control of its rightful owners: the people.  I believe we are going to look back and see that artists that successfully navigated and monetized their relationship with their fans are the ones that have long-term success as the music business changes.  The nebulous concept of “fan management” is the key concept for artists to grasp.  

Brian:  In the same light, what challenges has digital and social media created for your business?

Corey: The biggest challenge (and I think most interviewees will agree) is the size and scope of social and digital media—It can be overwhelming at times.  As a booking agent I feel like there is no end to the work I can do to get shows for my artists.  There are always more venues to call and more emails to send…Now that has been compounded with “there are always more websites to check”.  I am constantly searching the web to see if there are mentions of my artists.  We have even had to create and maintain a YouTube page for our agency.  Even though I have videos of our artists on our page I know many of our buyers are going to YouTube first so I have to be diligent about making sure the right content is there.  I had an incident where the administration at a college was upset with a buyer because they saw a clip of one of my comedians on YouTube—T \hey thought he was going to be too dirty and racy.  The clip they pointed to was from his set from the “Bad Boys of Comedy”.  He was instructed to structure his show that way.  I had to provide them with multiple other clips of his “normal” show before they would approve the show. 

Another challenge for our business is that the college market has become flooded with artists.  Our buyers are being inundated with (in my opinion) sub-par and not fully vetted artists.  It is now much easier and cheaper for artists to appear larger/bigger/better/more important/more seasoned than in the past.  The personal touch that goes with being a great agent does not seem to carry as much weight.  The role of an exemplary agency is being diminished.
 
Brian: What digital or social media channel(s) is your company currently devoting the most time, energy and resources to? Why?

Corey: The aforementioned YouTube page could be a full time job since we represent over 50 artists.  We also work with sonicbids on a regular basis since each of our artists maintains an EPK (electronic press kit) there.  I am in constant contact with dropcards.com because they supply our digital download cards.  Our website currently has sections for each of our different buyer groups (colleges, military, and performing arts) but over the next few months we are going to create a separate site for each of those constituent groups.  They will have a similar look & feel but the content will be tweaked for each buyer group.  I also spend a fair amount of time on our artists’ myspace pages to explore what comments are being left.  I can often turn these comments into selling points.  Finally I just added an account @ artistdata.com as an agency.  I am going to export our internal database calendar for my artists and use it to help them keep all their calendars up-to-date. 
 
Brian: Thinking ahead three to five years from now, what do you think could be the next “big thing” in digital and social media that will impact the way you do business? In other words, what would you like to see?

Corey: I would love to see a social media site that could really be used for business.  Most artists have myspace pages but I do not really like conducting business there (nor is that the purpose of myspace in my opinion).  Sonicbids was built more for business purposes and they do not have enough users in the industry to be truly affective.  I really like some of the tools provided by reverbnation but there are not enough buyers using it to work for our business. 

Brian: How do you keep up to speed with industry news? Is there a Web site or blog that you just couldn’t live without? 

Corey: Google Reader is a godsend.  I subscribe to the feeds from Topspin, Pitchfork, Billboard Biz, Hypebot and Kings of A&R.  I also frequent Alternative Addiction, Celebrity Access, Starpolish.com and the Hype Machine
 
Brian: What social media network do you personally use the most?

Corey: Personally I’m always on Facebook.  For business I use YouTube, Reverbnation and groups on LinkedIn.
 
Brian: Do you have a social media pet peeve?

Corey: That I’m only 32 and I feel “old” when it comes to social media.  And I’m a technophile!  I feel bad for people trying to navigate the current industry who are not tech savvy (or cannot hire people that are).

Brian: Ok, let me put you on the spot. Above you put an emphasis on fan management. So how about leaving us with three “things” that you equate to good fan management?

Corey:

1.) Sincere communication with your fans.  I do not think you should post something just to post something. Your communication should be relevant and totally transparent. 

2.) Be available everywhere they might go.  Facebook, MySpace, Last.fm, Pandora, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Unfortunately I do not think you can pick and choose.  You have to be everywhere.

3.) People want to hear from you,  not your publicist or manager.

13 Responses to “(1) Interview Series: Digital Influence in the Music Industry”

  1. David Williams Says:

    Great article, great interview. This guy gets it, and will surely own an agency of his own one day.

  2. Sarah Says:

    Great article, and great advice. I’ll be passing this along to all my musician friends and clients

  3. Rocco Says:

    This guys seems to get it, i wonder where his agency is in the hierarchy of things. I haven’t heard of them.

  4. Jeff Says:

    Great advice! technology is so important. This guy indeed gets it.

  5. Brian Smith Says:

    Corey just sent me this article from AdAge…good read. Brands Should Be Wired Into Music Discovery http://bit.ly/n9E52

  6. Barri Says:

    Full disclosure: I work for Dropcards.

    Corey’s point about the relentless stream of content that one accesses and contributes today is spot on. It takes a lot of work–more work than I’ve been willing to do, personally–to make it intelligible and manageable for yourself…and for your fans.

    Every day, I speak with independent artists who are attempting to find a way to rise above the noise, grab a foothold and actually reach the people who don’t know they want to hear them yet. In music, in particular, this may be one of the greatest challenges that artists face now and in the near future. If some of the digital strategists’ predictions are correct, we may see a strong uptick in extremely specialized niche media and social networks along with powerful Pandora-like services that, in some sense, read your mind for you.

    On the flip side, digital and social media aren’t the panaceas at the final stages of some great cosmic information revolution. Digital media, as a format, and social media, as a technology, serve us in substantially different ways than their predecessors. We may use them as our primary outlets for communication and entertainment but they surely aren’t _replacements_. They’re additions to the wealth of options at our disposal and we use each for different reasons. As someone who spends every day working with digital media, I can’t help but laugh when someone suggests to me that we’re going to watch the whole world move online and never look back, burning our books and smashing our inkwells along the way. We haven’t yet and I hope we never do. From where I sit, it’s not necessarily true that this is the future and you should stop pressing records. However, what is true is that putting physical product into the world and not tying it back online can be a tremendous mistake. Lucky for you, it’s a pretty easy one to rectify. If you try to balance the two worlds, you’ll be constantly expanding your reach–or the intensity of your impact–instead of committing yourself exclusively to one or the other.

  7. Susan Pugh Says:

    Corey was always a responsible, hard-working student in school. I feel such pride in seeing his achievements in his chosen career. His intelligence shines through! He’s at the top of his game when it comes to his business! Great article/great interview!

  8. Greg Says:

    Great insights, good to see how it works in “real” booking and management agencies (I personally do this in a good old DIY way).

  9. Tweetie Says:

    Great article Smitty…look forward to more. To answer “Rocco” Auburn Moon has been in the top 3 agencies in the college booking circuit for 10+ years. They always have the smartest folks and great artists, so this is no surprise. Glad to see them flexing those brains out into other parts of the industry….if you’ve ever had anyone interested in touring colleges, you should have heard of them. Thanks for the great insights, Corey.

  10. Nancy Says:

    Good job Brian and Corey. I look forward to reading more. I definitely learned something. Smart piece.

  11. Lisa Says:

    This article is great, and Barri - your comment was also very insightful. I certainly agree that seeing the surrender of the physical products that have been part of our culture’s lives will not occur for a long long time, and now it is practically imperative for everything to have a presence online.

    Technology and the ways in which we gather and share information have and still are rapidly converging. There are many well-established online platforms. Search engines, social networks, file-sharing, blogging. Being a part of these is essential, but where the real opportunities lie are in the techno-informational convergences yet to come.

    Many of the platforms/formats I mentioned before have struggled to monetize, but their balance sheets are not proportionate to the effects they have had on not only the way we communicate and search for information on a personal level, but also on a commercial level as well.

  12. Corey Says:

    Thanks for the opportunity Brian. For those who work in music here’s another good read. The band I just started working with scored a C. It’s a start…

    http://tiny.cc/eTIJo

  13. Corey Says:

    http://dev.trendrr.com/home

    Another interesting tool to track social/digital media impact

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